The Karnataka Trust Vote: Live Updates
Check here for live updates on the Trust Vote and the Rebel MLAs in Karnataka right now
Speaker says I have not stood up because when I stand up people have to return to their seats, since people don’t do that these days I have not stood up nor I have used the bell today..
In Karnataka, 13 Congress MLAs and 3 JD(S) MLAs submitted their resignations. These resignations were not accepted. The Supreme Court has allowed 15 of them to skip today’s trust vote proceedings.
If the resignations of the 16 rebel MLAs are accepted, Congress-JD(S)’s tally will fall to 100. The tally could be 101 if Congress MLA Ramalinga Reddy withdraws his resignation. However, the HD Kumaraswamy-led government’s numbers will still fall below the majority-mark.
The BJP already has 105 MLAs. The two Independent MLAs who recently quit from the ministerial positions and withdrew their support for the government could also support the BJP.
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SC order has discussed about my rights as CLP leader to issue whip but I was not a respondent to present my concerns. As the outcome of anti-defection law has its implications on no-confidence motion, I would like to request to postpone the motion till we get clarification frm SC— Siddaramaiah (@siddaramaiah) July 18, 2019
Points of Order continue to be raised by Congress MLAs, and they are continuously objected to by BJP MLAs.
The Assembly discussion is dragging on. Although it was convened at 11 AM, the actual discussion on the trust vote floor test is yet to begin.
Jagadish Shettar: The motion was moved, the debate had begun, and then they brought in these points of order. This is not acceptable, there was a time for them to raise these points; and they failed to raise them then.
BJP MLA S. Suresh Kumar, says, "A point of order cannot be a point of disorder". He reminds the Assembly that if the CM's speech has a point that needs clarification, a point of order may be raised. These points of order, however, do not stem from the CM's speech, and are therefore ultra vires.
J C Madhuswamy says, this point of order is no point at all, we are pointlessly delaying the vote. It's time to proceed.
Krishna Byre Gowda points out that the status of the 15 MLAs is the crux of the issue - whether they are members of the Assembly right now, or they aren't.
H.K. Patil: Irrespective of what the SC says, the Legislature has its own independence and stature, which must remain intact. The Speaker must take a role here, in the absence of which there is no point proceeding further.
H.K. Patil: The whip is only useful if the Speaker takes it into cognizance. Thus, the protection of a party falls to how the Speaker takes a direction.
HK Patil says a point of order can be anything that affects the Assembly as a whole.
Shrimant Patil has been found:
Speaker to Siddaramaiah: I will not restrain your power to direct, nor will I ask you to do it. If an MLA is not present, they may not sign for attendance.
Jagadish Shettar points out that a point of order can be raised on an issue brought forth by the CM. However, he says, Siddaramaiah is bringing lateral issues on to the floor by speaking out of turn.
Siddaramaiah accuses the BJP of forcefully preventing the MLAs from attending today's proceedings. The BJP vehemently objects.
Siddaramaiah's point of order is this - the SC has not required that the rebel MLAs attend these proceedings.
What is the Speaker's stance on this?
Siddaramaiah: The Supreme Court will not interfere with discretionary powers of the speaker; although it was asked that they direct that the resignations be accepted, they did not compel the Speaker to do so. They have also refrained from any mention about the right of a political party to give a whip.
Siddaramaiah notes that in the case before the Supreme Court, the respondents were the Chief Secretary, The Speaker of the Assembly, the CM of Karnataka, and the Union Government. However, neither himself, nor the Congress Party were mentioned as the respondents by the MLAs.
Siddaramaiah continues, saying it is his right to raise directions under the 10th Schedule. BJP members continue to raise objections.
Former CM Jagadish Shettar once again objects to Siddaramaiah’s long point of order. The Speaker calls for peace, saying Siddaramaiah is getting to his point.
Some much needed comic relief: In a slip of tongue, Siddaramaiah refers to himself as the Leader of the Opposition, when he is, in fact, the leader of the Congress Legislative Party. Hilarity ensues, and he jokes about how happy the BJP members seem about this possibility. The Speaker says, let them have this little bit of happiness.
A light note in the midst of a heavily loaded speech.
Siddaramaiah: The eyes of the nation are upon us. The country should see how we are, how we ought to conduct ourselves. This is why I must speak elaborately.
Siddaramaiah points out that despite being given directions to the contrary, some from Congress and some form BJP have gone forth as a group to put forth a resignation.
Siddaramaiah is quoting Clause 2 of the 10th schedule of the Constitution:
Disqualification on ground of defection.—(1) Subject to the provisions of 3 [paragraphs 4 and 5], a member of a House belonging to any political party shall be disqualified for being a member of the House—
(a) if he has voluntarily given up his membership of such political party; or
(b) if he votes or abstains from voting in such House contrary to any direction issued by the political party to which he belongs or by any person or authority authorised by it in this behalf, without obtaining, in either case, the prior permission of such political party, person or authority and such voting or abstention has not been condoned by such political party, person or authority within fifteen days from the date of such voting or abstention.
Siddaramaiah states, this has not been amended, it is standing law. It is the right of a political party to give a direction, according to Siddaramaiah's reading of this clause.
BJP MLAs object to Siddaramaiah’s extended speech, it results in shouting and chaos in the Assembly.
Congress Legislative Party leader and former chief minister Siddaramaiah is speaking in the Assembly. He just raised the history of anti-defection law, referring to the time Haryana MLA Gaya Lal changed his party thrice within the same day in 1967.
"Everyone on the other side of the aisle are my friends, including Yeddyurappa. He sympathises with me, and was telling me everything will be okay."
Kumaraswamy to the Speaker:
"While these MLAs have submitted one line resignations to you, they have submitted a long list of grievances to the Supreme Court.
I stand before you today to clarify these grievances."
The Speaker, K Ramesh Kumar, has just said, "If you think we could wrap this up in 5 minutes, we should - we all have work to take care of back home", and begins the speeches.
Kumaraswamy begins to speak, and points to the fact that Yeddyurappa is in a hurry.
For a detailed understanding of the issue, refer to our timeline on the Karnataka Crisis here!
BJP State President BS Yeddyurappa & BJP MLAs arrived at Vidhana Soudha in Bengaluru. They held a party meeting, which just concluded. Yeddyurappa has now entered the Assembly.
The Assembly Speaker, K Ramesh Kumar, has arrived at the building. Proceedings may begin any minute now.